Showing posts with label Motometer. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Motometer. Show all posts

Friday, May 4, 2012

BMW Motometer instruments...the R45, R80ST,R65 and R65LS.... this is likely my last posting for Motometer instruments, perhaps one more for BMW with VDO instruments to come....

I've featured Motometer and their instruments used on BMW motorcycles to date....see over to the RHS in the search area and type in Motometer for these previous posts......
This post will be my last on BMW with Motometer instruments and I'll do one more in the future on the so called "Earles Forked" BMW with VDO instruments. So this post features the R45, R65 and R65LS instruments which were 100mm diameter nominal with a black anodised bezel rim rolled in place to seal the instruments.
The speedometer generally had the trip reset up into the glass of the speedo with a small rubber boot trapped in place by a capped plastic sleeve with a thread and nut.....funnily I never measured this.
some early ones had the reset at the back of the instrument and used a plain glass...this was a better arrangement as the small rubber boot over the reset eventually splits and lets water into the speedometer.
Internally most metal parts are unplated and so rust.....
The tachometer was electronic and used the same movement as the BMW/7 series although the circuit board differed in that it was round, nominally about 100mm in diameter, external and secured by a plastic cover held in place by three PK type screws.
Despite the note on the photo from a BMW catalogue above..the binnacle is the same for the R45, and R65 variants.
The speedometer was in 120mph or 200kph dial scales, but 180kph for the R45 and the rear final drive ratio dictated the calibration factor which is displayed on the dial face as w=xxxx.
There were special 85mph dials made for the US market during the Reagan era oil crisis knee jerk reaction when all new cars and motorcycles had to have only an 85mph speedometer...the thought was you'd drive slower and save fuel....
 Speedometer exploded drawing....
Electronic tachometer exploded view....
 Trip reset exploded view....
BMW R65LS....
View of R65 and R65LS instrument cluster.
The calibration factor is w=773.
This means the speedometer cable rotates 773 times for every kilometer travelled.
So if the cable rotates at 773 times per minute, the speedometer will read 60kph.
So if you use a tester, the speedo of the input cable is 773tpminute to show 60kph on the dial face...
Below are some notes from my days in business and photos, used elsewhere in other Motometer posts by me, but relevant to these instruments...



Wednesday, August 24, 2011

K100..BMW Motometer instruments .....the German motorcycle industry goes electronic for its instruments....

With the introduction of the K series 4 cylinder 1000cc BMW motorcycle in 1983 came the first total use of electronic instruments for BMW motorcycles and it wasn't without its problems.
Motometer continued as the instrument supplier for the motorcycle side of BMW and a new large binnacle with speedometer on the left, tachometer on the right and a liquid crystal display quartz clock in the middle.
Left click on the illustrations to enlarge them....
BMW K series....


The instrument binnacle and the accessory instrument.
Exploded parts list drawing...


Speedometer details....
Tachometer detail....
Gearchange indicator and trip odometer and reset detail....


Pages from DQs somewhat scribbly and cryptic workbooks with information on connecting test  and calibrating equipment to the K100 instruments and the figures to calibrate it...
so calibration figures for the speedometer are....
49.7cycles/second (hertz) = 60kph
66 cps(hertz)                           =80kph
82.1 cps(hertz)                       =100kph
97.9cps(hertz)                       =120kph
113.4cps(hertz)                     =140kph
128.7cps(hertz)                     =160kph
The rear wheel had a metal disc with "teeth" on it that a hall effect pickup in the final drive was set near and detected the passing of the sheet metal "teeth"...the speedometer then displayed this as kph or mph and drove an odometer by a form of servo motor.
The instrument binnacle suffered from mild corrosion on internal terminals such that the signal would be lost and the speedometer stop working. 
A frustrating instrument at best....
The LCD display on the clock and the gearchange indicator would, with time and vibration, segment to a black blob appearing visually and masking any reading.
Once Motometer stopped the supply of parts in the early 1990's it became almost impossible to repair....

Sunday, July 10, 2011

We're back with Motometer Instrumentation...information on the BMW R60/6,R75/6, R90/6, R100, R80 motorcycles....


I've done several posts in the past on Motometer instruments for BMW motorcycles and there are still one or two more to follow.
This covers the instruments introduced with the BMW/6 models in late 1973 for the 1974 season.
Initially the R60/6, R75/6, R90/6 it was followed by the R60/7, R75/7 then R80/7, R100/7 and with the introduction on the monoshock rear end the R80, R100.
Left click on the images to enlarge them.
These used the "twin instruments" in a common plastic binnacle with the speedometer on the LHS and tachometer on the RHS.
Initially the tachometer was a cable driven mechanical one of 2-1 ratio. The drive cable is one of the "captive" type favoured by the German speedo manufacturers where the inner cable is captive in the outer and so can't easily be removed to lubricate it. But you can do it and I will cover this in a later blog on speedometer and tachometer drive cables.
Whatever you do, DON'T oil any speedometer or tachometer inner cable..they must be greased. Oil will be transported up the spinning inner and into the mechanism of the instrument.
The mechanical tacho was used from 1974-1977.
Instruments from an R90/6 with additional voltmeter and clock.
Note the colour of the dial...black with white lettering.
The plastic cover is one of three different ones used. They differed in the position of the warning lights between the speedo and the tacho.
The 1973-77 had the indicator lights at the bottom.
The 1978-81 had the brake warning light at the bottom.
The 1981 onwards had a blue light for the high beam indication at the bottom.
From 1978 an electronic tachometer replaced the mechanical one and this was when the dial faces changed. 
While still a black background, the colour of the numbers/text changed from white to green.
As well the 52mm dia. clock that was available changed from an impulse type to a quartz type.
So the dial colour is a good dating mark.
The speedometers were 140mph for imperial areas such as the UK , USA and 220kph for all the metric areas.
There were some 85mph speedos made for the USA market during the Reagan era in an attempt to slow vehicles down.
The ratios for the speedometer which relates to the final drive used is marked on the dial as w=xxxx. For example with a 32:10 rear drive in a Km speedo it would be w=0.737 and w=1.186 for  mph speedo.
What this means is that for the km. speedo, the inner cable rotates 737 times for one km.travelled. 
So if the cable rotated at 737rpm, the speedo would show 1km/minute which is 60km./hour.
1981 onwards instrument cluster fitted to an R80 and has the additional small instruments.
Exploded view of 1974-77 instrument cluster. Note high beam indicator is in the lower part of the tachometer dial.
You'll note they show a large nut on the speedo and tacho mainshafts where the drive cable attached.
The threads are... speedo 18mm x 1.5mm and for the tacho 16mm x 1.0mm.
These nuts were designed to lock back down onto the cable nut, presumably to stop the cable nut unscrewing.
But in all my years in the instrument trade this was never a problem and in fact causes a problem with these Motometer instruments over time.
It becomes difficult to undo them.
So my advice is to remove them completely..they are unnecessary....
Exploded view of 1977-1981 instrument cluster. Despite the tachometer being now electronic, the high beam indicator is still in the lower part of the tachometer dial.
Exploded view of speedometer 1974-1977 period. The mainshaft runs in a brass bush with the 18 x 1.5mm cable thread on it.
From 1978 the speedo use a plastic bushing for the mainshaft to rotate in.
Exploded view of tachometer assembly for 1974-77 instrument.
Exploded view of electronic tachometer 1977-81.
My scribbled notes for the electronic instruments etc.
You'll see other notations on the exploded drawings which refer to a catalogue numbering system I developed for my computer inventory of Motometer parts and aren't really relevant to the instruments for you.
The inner globe holder assembly with a circuit board. There were three versions of this part covering 1974-1977, 1978-1981 and 1981 onwards.
Damping details for the 1978 onwards speedometer. That is the speedo with the green numerals on a black background dial. The mechanical speedo and tacho of the 1974-1977 were not damped and often the pointers oscillate in an arc.
Instrument binnacle for 1981 onwards instruments.
Speedometer mechanism showing the main odometer counters, common for all 1974 onwards, however the illustration shows the 1978 onwards damping mechanism.
The odometer and trip odometer mechanism for 1974 onwards, but the damper mechanism as mentioned is for the 1978 onwards.
Both the 52mm dia. voltmeter and clocks are covered elsewhere.

Detail of the speedcup shaft bottom pivot length. This wears on the end stone in the bush at the top of the mainshaft and the inside of the aluminium speedcup "poles" on the magnet, eventually destroying it.
You can lightly stone the worn end of the shaft and then tap it though the brass piece in the speedcup to the correct setting...0.140" protruding.
From DQs notebooks...electronic tacho calibration information.

Wednesday, April 20, 2011

BMW Motometer instruments ..... the "twin instrument" used on BMW/5 motorcycles....1969-1973....



Following the radical change around 1969 by BMW with the introduction of the /5 series...R50/5, R60/5 and R75/5.


BMW introduced instruments made by another German instrument manufacturer...Motometer, rather than VDO who they had obtained speedometers from since the early 1950's.
These were a 100mm diameter "twin instrument", that is they had a speedometer in some 3/4 of the binnacle with a smaller tachometer in the lower half.
The speedometers were either 120mph non trip or 200kph non trip, using some four speedo ratios depending on the final drive in the motorcycle.
The R50/5 used a w=800 for the 200kph dial and w= 1300 for the 120mph dial with 3.56:1 final drive.
The R60/5  used a w=760 for the 200kph dial and w= 1215 for the 120mph dial with 3.36:1 final drive.
The R75/5  used a w=660 for the 200kph dial and w= 1050 for the 120mph dial with 2.91:1 final drive.
Later a lower ratio final drive was introduced for the R75/5, the 3.20:1 final drive.
The R75/5  used a w=715 for the 200kph dial and w= 1155 for the 120mph dial with 3.20:1 final drive.


BMW/5 spares list page for the instruments.




Odometer gearing data....ex DQ..sorry about the "scrappy notes"..these were done many years back.
Warning light display.
The tachometer was the same ratio for the R50/5, R60/5 and R75/5.... 2:1
All German vehicles seem to use what we call a "captive" drive cable, that is the inner cable is secured into the outer at the bottom of the cable by a washer that is staked over in four places under the bottom cable ferrule.
The difficulty with this is that you cannot lubricate the inner...so it has to run with only the meager lubricant supplied when the cable was assembled.
So I hear you say...
Consider the speedo, say the R60/5......lets say it has 78000km on the speedo.
The the cable will have rotated 78000 x 760 ( the calibration factor) 
This equals 59,280,000 rotations..at varying rpm and with the scant lubrication I mentioned previously.
This can go part of the way in explaining the pointer "dancing around" when the motorcycle speed is constant.
Following are some details from Motometer...
Left click on the images to enlarge...


The speedcup mechanism used to indicate the speed was not damped on this instrument, for either the speedometer or tachometer.
This means any slight wear in the top or bottom bush that the speedcup shaft pivots in and or an inner speedo or tacho cable with a "set" in it will cause an unsteady pointer despite a constant road or engine speed.
So it is possible to fit the top frame and the damper pot from the BMW/7 series and use silicon damping fluid...the result is a steady pointer.....
Undamped top frame assembly.
Damped top frame assembly...part of the damping mechanism can be seen rivetted to the top bridge piece.
A plastic cup is slid down the speedcap shaft to the top of the speedcup bell and filled with silicon damping fluid. Part of the damping piece fits into the cup when assembled and the speedcup shaft has to rotate through this fluid to indicate the speed and this stops the pointer oscillating.
Undamped speedcup assemblies.
Damping mechanism...the damper bar and the speedcup plastic cup.
The bezel rim on these instruments is a rolled on/crimped on chromed bezel.
Tricky to remove and replace.
My business, KTT Services made these and they are still available...best rolled on by an instrument repair firm, but you can do it yourself if you make up the tooling. Email me  see address above.
Illustrated below is a removal method and re-rolling for a Smiths SSM speedo that uses the same principle of crimped on/rolled on bezel. If you've access to a lathe you can make suitable tooling.
Careful use of a screwdriver going around the bezel several times with an oscillating movement will peel the rim back...my wife does the demo...
You can find a suitable pair of pliers and grind the end to allow you to also peel the rim edge back.
Plier end ground to a suitable shape.
Pliers I used...made by the German company Knipex, although they appear to be no longer available. However they are a glass/mirror breaking set of pliers and the end is suitable to grind to shape.
Friend, Gert Boll has brought to my attention that similar mirror breaking pliers are listed on the Knipex site....they may well be suitable for grinding to the shape needed in my illustration above....
http://www.knipex.de/index.php?id=1216&L=0&page=group_detail&parentID=1369&groupID=1417


A Smiths bezel rolling on tool to illustrate a re rolling on operation...
Tooling you can make...a ballrace attached to a bar to do the rolling on...an aluminium plate with a suitable "V" of the correct diameter to lock the assembly while the bezel is rolled over. The large block has holes drilled in it to fit over the back of the speedo and allow you to push against the seals/glass for a water-tight seal as you roll over the rim.
Rolling the rim over ...you turn the lathe chuck by hand slowly to fold the rim edge over the 90 degrees necessary to seal the instrument.
The tooling before use...
You can investigate more the SSM bezel replacement earlier in my blog...use the search facility on the RHS of the blog...type in SSM or bezel...
Or...go to...
http://velobanjogent.blogspot.com/2010/05/continuation-with-smiths-ssm-and-rsm.html



Detail of the speedcup shaft bottom pivot length. This wears on the end stone in the bush at the top of the mainshaft and the inside of the aluminium speedcup "poles" on the magnet, eventually destroying it.
You can lightly stone the worn end of the shaft and then tap it though the brass piece in the speedcup to the correct setting...0.140" protruding.