The Vincent speedometer.....

Throughout my various earlier blogs there are references to chronometric speedometers and tachometers and of course I have showcased Phil Irving's involvement with The Vincent Motorcycle.
So perhaps this is the time to post some data of the Smith's instruments and ancillaries used on the Vincent motorcycle.
All the Vincent speedometers used on the 500cc and 1000cc models were Smith's chronometric instruments, including the tachometer on the Black Lightning and Grey Flash racers.
Prewar the cable fitting attached to the speedo via what is called in the instrument trade "a Jaeger fitting". The threaded fitting came during WW2 and used a 12mm x 1mm thread.
Interesting the use of metric threads...but the chronometric is a French Jaeger instrument and thus totally metric.
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In the 1930's most of the chronometric speedometers supplied to the motorcycle trade were 80mm ( 3") diameter 85mph often Non trip, but otherwise trip and 140kph for metric areas of the world. But some did use 120mph, such as the Rudge Ulster, the BSA Gold Star, Brough Superior and the Vincent "A" twin . I don't have evidence for the single 500cc Meteor, but would be inclined to think it used the 85mph/140kph speedo.

After WW2 the trend for 85mph speedos continued up until around 1949 with many manufacturers, but Vincent-HRD, then just Vincent used the 120mph trip chronometric with side exit trip as the speedo was mounted in the open.
Note above the Smiths logo...we call this the shield logo and it was used up until the mid 1946, when the circular "MA" was removed and the text became SmithS with the "S" at either end in capitals.
From the mid 1950's, but more likely 1959 on, the logo was SMITHS...

Following WW2 the Vincent-HRD company used the following for the series B and series C Comet and Rapide.

With the imminent introduction of the Black Shadow, PEI recalls on p.365 of his autobiography the need for a 150mph speedo with a 5 inch dial.

This is one of the available photos that show the prototype speedometer, published in the Australian motorcycle magazine "Motorcycling in Australia"
I do not know how many of this "lashup" of a speedometer were made.

But the cast aluminium version, stove enameled black is a nice looking speedo.
The following are photos of the reproduction of the original I still make.

The speedometers were available as 150mph, but in metric areas, a 250kph version was offered.

Around the same time a racing version , the Black Lightning, made in very limited numbers was supplied with an 8000rpm 4-1 ratio anti-clockwise cable rotation chronometric tachometer with yellow lettering and some had speedometers...a 18omph  80mm (3") dia. chronometric or a 280kph 80mm (3") chronometric for the minuscule number available for metric areas. Again yellow lettering.

A racing version of the 500cc Vincent Comet, called the Grey Flash was also supplied with an 8000rpm 4-1 anticlockwise Smiths chronometric tachometer and was offered with a 125mph or 180kph speedometer with white numerals.

Both the Black Lightning and the Grey Flash used a Smiths bronze casting tachometer drive type 70549 of 2-1 ratio and reversing format.

The reason for the special anticlockwise tachometer was that the majority of British motorcycles drove tachometers off their magneto and when you looked at the shaft which the drive gear attached to, it rotated anticlockwise.
Smiths only offered the bronze type 70549 tachometer drives in 1-1 reversing and 2-1 reversing.
So with the Vincent having a clockwise rotating magneto, the use of the 2-1 reversing tachometer drive gave the 4-1 anti-clockwise tachometer requirement.
When the fully enclosed models arrived in the mid 1950's...the Victor, Black Knight, Black Prince the speedometers were all 80mm ( 3") dia. but as they were in a dashboard, they had flanged bezels and and extended reset shaft. The Victor and Knight has 125mph/180kph dials and the Prince 150mph/240kph dials. 

The speedometers had a small angle drive on their back of the same type as the earlier Black Shadow, but with a keyplate and two 4BA screws to secure it to the case.

Finally the drive to all the speedometers was from the pre WW2 type front wheel diecast speedometer drive gearbox in the brake plate with the driver gear bolted inside the front hub.
These small diecast drives are 1.5-1 ratio. The large gear was 41 teeth ( same as a Velocette KSS and MSS) . The small driven gear was 13 teeth ( again same as Velocette KSS and MSS) both 12 D.P. tooth form.
The front wheel "nominally" turns 750 times in a mile. 
This is calculated as follows....
21" wheel with 3.00 tyre, gives a diameter wheel/tyre diameter of 27".
C=pie x d...3.142 x 27 = 84.8" rolling circumference.
1 mile = 63,360 ". 
So 63360/84.8 = approx 750 wheel turns per mile.
The two gears give a 41/13 = 3.15 ratio and the 1.5:1 reduction in  the drive gives a total ratio of 2.1:1.
So 2.1 x 750 = 1575 cable turns per mile calibration factor. 
Most of the speedometers were available as 1550 to 1600 TPM.

Now I may come back and amend this blog, as it is after midnight as I post it...
The Black Shadow never had a 5" Smiths chronometric tachometer as standard, but some time after the Vincent company went into liquidation and closed after 1955.....5" diameter  8000rpm tachometers in the cast speedometer case became available in limited quantities.
I have have also made them and illustrated below is one , with the bronze type 70549 drive for a customer.

Following are some Smiths Equipment Schedules for Vincent which give instrument, drive and cable information as supplied to the Vincent Company.


Speedometer cable lengths to 1948.

The Smiths ATRC racing tachometer.......

Smiths ATRC tachometers….

Smiths, the UK based instrument firm, had made special tachometers for competition since the early 1930s.

Initially based on the chronometric principle and I’ve touched on these in earlier postings in my blog, they introduced magnetic mechanically driven tachometers based on the eddy current principle in production cars and aircraft, from the later 1930s culminating in the ATRC version in the mid 1950s.

ATRC..??

The initials stand for Auto Tempo Racing ( and) Competition. The Auto Tempo part is from a company Smiths took over in the late 1920s and who supplied instruments utilising the eddy current principle and with a method of construction that Smiths continued with in their version.

Bentley and Rolls Royce cars used AT speedometers and tachometers from the 1920s up until the early 1970s when Smiths ceased production.

There was a London based company, Auto Tempo, that did instrument repairs, run by Joe Shaw, but I don’t believe they were connected in any way. I dealt with them in the late 1970s-80s.

The competition ATRC tachometers are 80mm (3”) in diameter…interesting this, as many of Smith’s instruments are in metric dimensions, having utilised this since the late 1920s when they acquired the French based Jaeger ED company, set up shortly before in the UK, and renamed it British Jaeger, who of course made their instruments to metric dimensions.

The bezel rim, same in construction as used on the Smiths Chronometric tachometer has an 80.00mm diameter x 0.90mm thread to screw on.. Yes it is not imperial and not 26tpi….

The bezel used on the ATRC has a Satin Chrome finish, to minimize glare from the sun blinding the rider or driver.

The body is an aluminium casting, machined internally, operating on the eddy current principle, each instrument incorporates a rotating magnet of special alloy and a movement carried on jewels. Individually manufactured and calibrated, the construction is such that variations due to temperature changes are within the limits of accuracy for this instrument. This is 1% of full scale in the temperature range 10-30°C. The mainshaft was carried in two ball race bearings, unusual for a tachometer or speedometer which are usually constructed using a bush assembly. This indicates the "specialness" of these tachometers...they really are "The Rolls Royce of instruments".

They were available in both clockwise and anti-clockwise dial scale ranges for 9000rpm, 10000rpm and 12000rpm, and clockwise only for 15000rpm, 18000rpm, 20000rpm and 22000rpm.

The last three were for Honda Motor Corporation who used them on their works racers in the 1960s.

BMW used a 10000rpm c/wise 2-1 version on their Rennsport engines used in the 1950s and 1960s.

The 12000rpm scales were used by NSU on their works racers and Sportsmax production racers ( 12000rpm anti c/wise dial scale), Gilera 4 cylinder factory racers ( 12000rpm anti c/wise dial scale), some MV Augusta racers, although they often used the 80mm dia. “white faced” competition tachos as did Moto Guzzi, although the V8 Moto Guzzi was supplied with an ATRC from Smiths.

CZ, Jawa etc also used Smiths instruments.

They must be used with an anti vibration mounting, code MS1001/00, manufactured for Smiths with the tachometer sitting on a central plate connected to an outer ring ( for attachment to the motorcycle fairing or cockpit, or car dash area) via an “O” ring in four places.

This provides a large amount of insulation from engine vibration and road shock.

The most commonly known use of the ATRC competition tachometer, was in the 9000rpm c/wise dial scale form ( code ATRC2652) used since 1956 to their closure in 1962 on AMC raceware…the 350 and 500 Manx Norton, the 350 7R AJS and the 500 G50 Matchless.

These were supplied with the cable connecting directly to the bottom of the tachometer via a 12mm x 1mm thread.

After 1962 as the dolphin fairing became utilised, Smiths made the ATRC tachometer with a built in 90° 1-1 non reversing angle drive fitted.

This allowed a better cable run to the tachometer drive on the AMC racers and was often utilised by others such as Honda Motor etc.

As well an interesting snippet is some time back, when John Surtees owned the ex works 500cc supercharged rennsport BMW that Georg Meier won the 1939 Senior IOM TT on, he was particular over his engine preparation and as the bike didn't have a tachometer fitted as standard in the period, he asked me to make him a 9000rpm ATRC 2-1 tachometer with a white face and the scale was as the normal ATRC, but the dial marking were from a German tachometer of the period, R.Muehle u.Sohn, Glashuettle/Sa.

A small Smiths screw-on 90° angle drive can be fitted to the straight cable entry tachometers, they are available as BG2410 a 1-1 non reversing type, or if you need to reverse the direction of the cable as it enters the tachometer because the scale goes “the wrong way” for your application, you could use the same small drive, coded as BG2412 a 1-1 reversing drive. These are pictured.

Pictured are some dial scale types from my dial catalogue….

How does this "eddy current principle" ATRC tachometer work?

Inside the tachometer is a magnet assembly driven by the drive cable.

As the magnet spins, it sets up a rotating magnetic field, causing electric current to flow in the aluminium detecting disc that closely surrounds it.This is called the speedcup which is the detecting disc. The electrical current that flows in the cup are small rotating eddies, known as eddy currents. The eddy currents themselves have a magnetic field around them and these are repelled by the spinning magnetic field from the magnet.

The cup and its attached needle turn in the same direction that the magnetic field is turning -- but the hairspring attached to the shaft in the centre of the speedcup resists the movement of the cup.The needle on the speedcup stops where the opposing force of the hairspring balances the force created by the revolving magnet.

What if the engine increases or decreases its speed? If the engine speed increases, the magnet within the speedcup will rotate faster, which creates a stronger magnetic field, larger eddy currents and a greater deflection of the tachometer needle. If the engine slows down, the magnet inside the cup rotates more slowly, which reduces the strength of the magnetic field, resulting in smaller eddy currents and less deflection of the needle.

When the engine finally stops, the hairspring , because of a zero error setting, holds the needle at a rest position ( which may not be “0”, as in the case of the ATRC whose dials start at 1000rpm, 5000rpm etc.)

I still manufacture these original type ATRC tachometers to the same specification as those from Smiths, with my manufacturing the case, bezel rim, dial, pointer, anti-vibration

mount and utilizing an industrial version of

this Smiths AT movement, identical in

operation to that originally used by Smiths.

I can repair the original versions utilising this parts source.

Also pictured are parts of the “internals” of the tachometer, with a movement with the speedcup and pointer assembly in a jig for setting the zero error to the dial.

As mentioned Honda Motor used these tachometers on their factory machines....pictured is a 16000rpm version on the former Mike Hailwood works 500/4 Honda, now owned by Virgil Ewings from California.

Included is part of a page from the notes of the late Jack Owens, last manager of the Smiths Competition Dept., Oxgate Lane, London, UK.

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